Breeding Red Cover F1

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by Andrew Soh » 15 Aug 2008, 14:29

Made a check with some guys and they all claimed that Pigeon was not used in the Red cover....so sorry for doubting :blush3: .

The main species or strains used were Brown and Ghost and enhancement with carophyll pink. :2tubsup:

As to how to breed a perfect Red Cover offspring.....among siblings will not work...it seems....neither with the parents. I may be wrong here as this information was told to me....best is for Moltrup to try and if successful....tell us....

The specialist in Singapore is not telling.....

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by moltrup32 » 16 Aug 2008, 15:40

Andrew Soh wrote:Made a check with some guys and they all claimed that Pigeon was not used in the Red cover....so sorry for doubting :blush3: .

The main species or strains used were Brown and Ghost and enhancement with carophyll pink. :2tubsup:

As to how to breed a perfect Red Cover offspring.....among siblings will not work...it seems....neither with the parents. I may be wrong here as this information was told to me....best is for Moltrup to try and if successful....tell us....

The specialist in Singapore is not telling.....

Take care,
Andrew :hura3:
Thank you Andrew, I will try and tell you about it. No commercial interests here :2tubsup: Hopefully I can pair eigther the male or the female up with a F1 red ghost, for the first attempt, and see how it works out, and after that hmm maybe a ghost x F1 brown type.

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by Andrew Soh » 16 Aug 2008, 16:23

That's great, let us know your results :2tubsup:

For the time being, you may like to try this:

Feed a few of the not so important F1s you have (those you are not going to use as breeders) with high dose of carophyll pink....about 4gm per one kg of feed and see whether the red colour will improve and the stressbar over the eyes gone.

{I have ever feed a female Melon that has a very peppered and dark caudal fin and anal fin with very high dose of carophyll pink for about a month and all the fins became very red and all the peppering gone (temporary)} Don't know whether it works in your case but no harm trying.

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by moltrup32 » 17 Aug 2008, 23:15

Andrew Soh wrote:That's great, let us know your results :2tubsup:

For the time being, you may like to try this:

Feed a few of the not so important F1s you have (those you are not going to use as breeders) with high dose of carophyll pink....about 4gm per one kg of feed and see whether the red colour will improve and the stressbar over the eyes gone.

{I have ever feed a female Melon that has a very peppered and dark caudal fin and anal fin with very high dose of carophyll pink for about a month and all the fins became very red and all the peppering gone (temporary)} Don't know whether it works in your case but no harm trying.

All the best,
Andrew :hura3:
Carophyll pink :confus1: , could be whery tempting to try, but where can I get it? The local pet store is not the place to search, I know that :lol: :lol: Boris(NADI) can I buy it through you?

I mowed the F1s to a 530 ltr akvarium today, now I just have to wait for them to spawn a few times, and prepare another tank with RO water when they are ready. The parents are top fit at the moment, and they are spawning at least once a week.

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by moltrup32 » 18 Aug 2008, 00:12

Some pictures from the new tank :tumme2: Look at pic.7 NADI, a little bit blue face :lol: :lol:
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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by Andrew Soh » 18 Aug 2008, 02:36

Hey ,

Now your pictures confirmed that most of them are San Merah (original name for Red Cover) :2tubsup:

The only problem is the bar over the eyes which I have checked is the same problem with all the breeders/hobbyists.

You can get carophyll pink from many asian breeders....maybe Boris knows. I don't know whether it will help in diluting the bar over the eyes, but I definitely know that my fish's peppering disappear after heavy dose of carophyll pink.

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by NADI » 18 Aug 2008, 13:16

Jes, molstrup I have CP.
Giv me a call. :tumme2:

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by Andrew Soh » 18 Aug 2008, 14:36

Moltrup,

After looking at your pictures, I realised that you might want to try crossing the Brown looking ones with the intermediate.....the golden looking one. :2tubsup:

Might just work :2tubsup: :2tubsup: :2tubsup:

One thing seems to be sure....Brown crossing with Brown (same like Red Cover crossing with Red cover) will not yield the result of 100 Red Cover....the result you wanted. Brown Sibling with Brown sibling may be th same as Brown offspring with Brown Parent...so not be successful.

So try the Brown sibling with Light-coloured golden-like without the bodily stress-bars (only over the eye). :2tubsup: :2tubsup: :2tubsup:

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by moltrup32 » 19 Aug 2008, 00:04

Andrew Soh wrote:Moltrup,

After looking at your pictures, I realised that you might want to try crossing the Brown looking ones with the intermediate.....the golden looking one. :2tubsup:

Might just work :2tubsup: :2tubsup: :2tubsup:

One thing seems to be sure....Brown crossing with Brown (same like Red Cover crossing with Red cover) will not yield the result of 100 Red Cover....the result you wanted. Brown Sibling with Brown sibling may be th same as Brown offspring with Brown Parent...so not be successful.

So try the Brown sibling with Light-coloured golden-like without the bodily stress-bars (only over the eye). :2tubsup: :2tubsup: :2tubsup:

Take care, bud.
Andrew :hura3:
I need more tanks :lol: :lol: I will try with carophyll pink when I have the room to separate some of the F1s from the sekond batch, at the moment they are feed up by my dad. Thank you Boris for the quick respond :cool: I have only kept 7 "golden like", 3 brown type and one ghost from the first bach, so not much to play with. The sekond one I think I have 70-100 left, plenty to play with :2tubsup:

I have come to the same conclution to the brown x brown. I think you are correct in your assumptions about that cross.

Do you think it is better to use 2 siblings brown x golden like, instead of one of the parents x golden like, or maybe it doesnt matter?

I do have one other fish that might be interesting though. It is a golden look a like without the stressbar across the eye. I have bought it through NADI. For a while it showed a shady stressbar across the eye, when it was not perfektly vell, but it has faded away again now. I dont know its origin, but it look like the others, exept for the missing bar!

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Re: Breeding Red Cover F1

Post by Andrew Soh » 19 Aug 2008, 07:24

No harm trying :dontknow: with Nadi or use the golden to cross with the mother.

Because the red is X-linked.......(usually the female can be induced very red), it is better to use the female parent to cross with a male from the golden-like colour offspring. That is the best.

Using the male parent to cross with the golden-like female offspring may not be the best option.

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